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PostSubject: Stepping Up   Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:34 pm

Im sure we all have heard by now. Rocker was a fantastic leader. He has raised the bar of expectations for the next person. A great leader and surely we all feel that the so called "Leader" title is set for rocker. But its time to turn to a new chapter in DVAS. Its time to write more in the book. Lets not let this clan become history. Lets write our history. Who will be the person to step up, and strive for the better of this clan. Yes we all think right to ryan, but he did himself say he would decline the position unless it was absolutely needed. Its time to have a talk team. I am 100% sure you all dont want me to be a leader. So lets decide as a family, Not individuals on who will fill this void. As for people who I feel would be considered for the spot.
1: Xanatos-Has been part of this clan for quite some time. He has great leader skills & knows just about everybody. Not to mention he is a all around good guy.
2: xLegion- Probobly knows more about the clan then Rocker himself. He is very familiar with server maintenance / server hosts.
3: Hirmu(Lagger)- Although I never talked too much with Hirmu, I feel he would be just as good of a choice as Legion or Xanatos. He is great with people, and of course shows leader skills.
4: Fubar- Maybe we keep the bloodline in DVAS. Fubar is although young, Shows maturity just as much as rocker does. He is mature when it counts and knows when to relax. A all around great guy to speak to and be in teamspeak with. Of course with all of the others I have spoken about, He has leader ship skills.
5: Slide- Last but not least we have slide. She knows every single one of us and is the one person in DVAS you just cant dislike. She is great with talking too us, She understands that everybody has a opinion and hears you out. She shows great leadership skills.

Not to offend anybody, But those are really the only people I would even consider being a leader. My choices are based off people reacting to things that have happened in the clan, These people are not the ones to jump on a decision with Rocker without thinking. These people are the ones who have the different opinion that most likely could make or brake a decisions. These are the people who I feel represent us as a whole.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:37 pm

I'd go with Xanatos.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:41 pm

I don't know if this will be used for the ultimate decision, but I'll give my thoughts.

1: Xanatos - Yes, I could see Xanatos run this clan, why not? He's active, he's been around a long time, he can help everyone with almost every problem, and he's been a (Head?)-Admin for a long time now.

2: Legion - Yes, Ryan would be a great leader, and also would be my first choice. Nonetheless, his decision about declining has more power than our decision in chosing.

3: Hirmu - No offense to Lagger, but I just don't see him as our clan-leader at this very moment.

4: Fubar - Maybe to young for a clan-leader, but I think he could do it with some help from Rocker in the beginning. Maybe even without the help of Rocker. Who knows?

5: Slide - Would deffinately be able to run this clan, because, he, who doesn't like to be commanded around by Slide? Only downside; her English sucks, and she knows  A LOT (sarcasm) about computers. Still love you babe I love you. (not that leadership has anything to do with computers, but would be quite nice if she could help you with your problems.)

So basically, I am not going to vote for a clan-leader as I don't really see my vote being an important vote. I am a member of this clan and not an admin, so I don't think we should pick the new leader off of my decision. 

You now do know my point of view about who I think is most capable of being the leader of this clan.

Any questions or commens on my opinion are welcome ofcourse, and I'll gladly answer all of you sons of bitches.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:58 pm

(Even though I'm genuinely* honorored by your comment Heat), I as the clan leader wouldn't work. I'm quite inactive already as it is, but soon I'm going to army so I can't play anymore or be connected to this clan barely at all.

Also I don't know anything 'bout renting servers in cod4 or on ts3. Nor that I had something to pay with. But that's off the topic.

@whate. When you mentioned Slide being bad at English, haven't you ever read anything that ROCKER has written? I don't thing that the lack of English skills is that big of a problem, especially when, Slide does speak rather good English.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:54 pm

Ok wtf guys ? 

Me? As a clanleader ? You guys want anarchy ?
I can give you some good reasons for me not to be a clanleader:

1- Me no speak good England.
2- A computer ? What the hell is that ?
3-I have no idea how to be a clanleader.
4-I have no money for the servers.

Anyway, Ryan and Xana are way more capable of being a great Leader than me !

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:32 pm

Lagger, it was more of a joke about Slides English. I know you don't really have to be able to fluently speak English to properly lead a clan. See it more as banter!Very Happy

And Slide, I do think you'd be able to run a clan perfectly on your own! Believe in yourself!

Maybe even pick out the current head-admins to start leading this clan? Don't really see why that wouldn't work?

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:02 pm

No offense to super or anything, but i just feel like he just lacks the experience to run a clan. (Regarding erwin saying to pick out current head-admins and run the clan.)
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:18 pm

Beside these suggestions we should also ask if there are any volunteers, people who are ready to pay for the server(s). I'd like to hear Xana's opinion about being a Leader. Idk what's being talked on Teamspeak since some people are on seperate channels.
All we got now are suggestions and no concrete plans on how we should continue this. 

But we don't know wether Xana or Ryan have a positive look on a poll. I mean they are the leading ones right now so they might just step up, which is their right I believe...
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:47 pm

I agree with Ratchie!

Can't we get like 2 Clan leaders ? Or a council (I have no idea if it's called like that) Then no more clanleader.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:04 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:50 pm

The only problem I have about this clan being a democracy (not council... >_>) is that if there were to be any disagreements, no one would then truly have the power to say "this is what we're going with" after any votes, then enforce it.  It's just be a case of some people thinking they can do what they like as long as they have some supporters.  I can't be bothered with that.

I'd rather DVAS had 1 leader, then 1 person under him like it always has had.  Don't worry about server payments, I'll take that over.  But I'd still like someone else to be the Leader...

Slide <3 wrote:
Ok wtf guys ? 

Me? As a clanleader ? You guys want anarchy ?
I can give you some good reasons for me not to be a clanleader:

1- Me no speak good England.
2- A computer ? What the hell is that ?
3-I have no idea how to be a clanleader.
4-I have no money for the servers.

Those 3 you can learn. Very Happy  For the first one... Stop getting drunk then trying to speak.


I have heard Xana's opinion in TS, but I'd also like him to discus it here as I would put him as next option. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:57 pm

Well, with the trust you've been putting on me, guess I should speak up in here.

Let's start with the not-so-on-topic stuff: Erwin, of course your views will affect the ultimate decision, especially since you provided reasoning with it as well. I'd be happy to see everybody else share their thoughts in this matter as well as it is quite a big decision for the clan. Somewhat bigger from who are going to be made admins next or who gets in the clan at least. Just state your reasons and keep the thread clean of spam; if you agree with what somebody else has already said, just hit the small + in the upper right corner of the message.

About the actual topic of the thread: I would like to remind everybody that it is not the clan leader's duty to pay for the servers (looking at you, Slide and Lagger). That would be quite awful actually, "Hey, I'm quite tired of that Xana guy, let's make him the clan leader so he has to pay to be in this clan!" I see the clan leader more as the most respected member of the clan who always thinks for the best of the clan and is always there for the members to speak to. And, if it goes to it, the clan leader has the decisive call in case the clan is unable to reach consensus in an important matter.

There is not much to say about Ryan, Slide and Lagger that hasn't been said yet. The logical choice would be Ryan with his calmness and ability to reason. Let's face it, the man's a damn purebred diplomat. In addition, his knowledge in configurating the servers would help a great deal. However, he declined already in the other thread and I completely understand him in that. I would like to ask him to reconsider, though, just because he is pretty much everything the clan needs, excluding his manga fetish which causes him to be a bit inactive at times. ;D

As for Slide, well, she would turn this clan from DVAS to CRFU with Rainbow fucking Dash flying around the forums in no time. For those not familiar with the abbreviation, CRFU comes from Cute Rainbow Farting Unicorns. Also, this is a direct quote of hers from today: "I don't want to be the clanleader."

Lagger, well, he is quite inactive, and being in army will cut off most of his remaining activity for at least 6 months. @Lagger: geniously = nerokkaasti, genuinely = aidosti. You will probably end up on my quotation bind list with that typo, gave me that good a laugh. Also, honorored Laughing

What comes to Fubar, I would like to hear his opinion about this as well. I wouldn't necessarily see him as the leader: his last post on the forums is from 3 months ago, which in itself means nothing, but he hasn't really ever taken any role in taking the clan forward, as a community or otherwise. I don't see why that would change had he become the clan leader.

Now for the part I've been trying to avoid so hard... I can't possibly to describe how deeply appreciated by the fact I've even been considered as the next clan leader, so I won't even try.

Yes, I've been around for some time now, almost 4.5 years actually, a bit over 4 of which as an admin. That's quite a long time, actually, a fifth of my life and a lot has changed during that time. I have seen the clan having its ups and downs, members come and go, some of them coming and going a couple of times over (Heat), as well as  server host changing for some times. Not to mention all the stuff that has happened to me in the life out there during this time.

Had the situation in the clan been this 3-4 years ago, I would've gladly accepted. Now I'm not so sure. I am quite busy with my studies and lacrosse and football, both on the field and the coach's bench and all that. Sometimes I simply wouldn't have the time or the energy to trouble my mind with the clan's business. However, as some of you might already know I will check the forum once in a while anyway, I'm quite often online in Xfire, Steam or Teamspeak and would never turn away from anyone who comes to me with their worries. Private messages on the forum work just fine as well.

All that being said, I will not refuse if you guys honestly want me to be the leader. I just will ask you to reconsider.

Ps. As it seems, I was asked to post my thoughts here twice while I was writing this wall of text... Well, hope you enjoyed!

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:09 pm

How the hell do you expect me to take any of that seriously with that signature at the end... What the hell...

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:07 am

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How the hell do you expect me to take any of that seriously with that signature at the end... What the hell...
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:26 pm

Hey guys.

I also wanna share my opinion about this topic. Well basically I agree with skrelox. I just think that Xanatos would be a great leader of DVAS. He is a reliable person which is friendly and likeable. Iam not that long in DVAS but when I hear the stories from older members which know him as a strong and polite person who always have time to listen to your problems, my first impression of him gets just confirmed. Thats why I'd be really delighted if Xanatos would be our new clan leader.

I'd also appreciate if xLegion stays Co-clan leader beacause his knowledge in technical stuff (servers,ts3, etc.) is just an advantage for us.

Well that's pretty much everything I wanted to say just one thing at the end.
I had a talk with EG leader Deluxe a really close friend from me. He really likes DVAS and he doesnt want that DVAS maybe die one day. So he offered that when Rocker wont pay anymore for the servers that he could pay not for ever, but for a time (maybe 2-3 months) till we find a person who is going to pay.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Well, it's just the fact that even if Xanatos won't be the most active clan leader, he would be by far our best option (especially after Ryan declined to be the next leader).  I'm also sure that Xanatos would be the only one of us who could keep control over us. As he said, he won't never turn away from anyone of us who comes to him with their worries.

Xanatos, I'm sure that you know that you can refuse to be the next leader, but I have no doubt that I'm speaking on behalf of most of the clan members, if not the whole clan, if I say that we want you to be our next leader.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:03 am

Xanatos wrote:
All that being said, I will not refuse if you guys honestly want me to be the leader. I just will ask you to reconsider.
From this so far, it seems both Ryan(xLegion) and Xana dont want too be leader. Well okay. Ill assume my burden of being leader
On a real note. Skrelox. Not trying to be rude, but it will seem like it. Your barely on enough to even begin to say that you can speak for the whole clan as we want xana to be our leader. No offense to xana but im sure there are people who want Legion over Xana. How can somebody who only reads forums speak for the entire clan? Your never in teamspeak with others, only interaction you get with the clan are through these threads.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:48 pm

I'm sure that there are people who want Legion over Xanatos, but as I mentioned in my previous post then Ryan kind of refused to be our next leader, so it kinda makes sense to me that Xanatos would definitely be the next option for those who wanted Legion as the next leader.
And I'm just speaking purely based on my past experience when I was still active n shit. I never saw/heard anyone complain over Xanatos's actions in the game or in TS3.
I hope I explained everything.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:33 pm

Xana kind of refused to be our leader also, thats why i quoted him saying for us to reconsider.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:42 pm

Personally i would like to see Legion to be the clan leader. He is always polite and understanding and not hotheaded. Those qualities are important in a clan-leader.

Has anyone thought about a financial plan for the servers? I saw that Legion volunteered to pay for all, but perhaps we can create a donation system of some kind? I know that for some member it will be hard to donate on regular bases, but if everyone drink a few beers left and donate per month a couple of euro, dollar or slotti....

If necessary i will pay for one server if you guys need it.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:06 pm

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Personally i would like to see Legion to be the clan leader. He is always polite and understanding and not hotheaded. Those qualities are important in a clan-leader.

Has anyone thought about a financial plan for the servers? I saw that Legion volunteered to pay for all, but perhaps we can create a donation system of some kind? I know that for some member it will be hard to donate on regular bases, but if everyone drink a few beers left and donate per month a couple of euro, dollar or slotti....

If necessary i will pay for one server if you guys need it.

Uwotm8?!
But you have a point here, I don't know how much the servers and all that cost but if everyone donates even like 0.50 cents a month it would satisfy.. However it should not be mandatory.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:39 pm

Sergeyy wrote:
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Personally i would like to see Legion to be the clan leader. He is always polite and understanding and not hotheaded. Those qualities are important in a clan-leader.

Has anyone thought about a financial plan for the servers? I saw that Legion volunteered to pay for all, but perhaps we can create a donation system of some kind? I know that for some member it will be hard to donate on regular bases, but if everyone drink a few beers left and donate per month a couple of euro, dollar or slotti....

If necessary i will pay for one server if you guys need it.

Uwotm8?!
But you have a point here, I don't know how much the servers and all that cost but if everyone donates even like 0.50 cents a month it would satisfy.. However it should not be mandatory.`
Hmm why not? Iam sure that if it was mandatory we know that people are really appreciate the clan. My guess is that most members are taken the servers & website for granted not realising who is paying for it. but these are only my thoughts.

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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:52 pm

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Sergeyy wrote:
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Personally i would like to see Legion to be the clan leader. He is always polite and understanding and not hotheaded. Those qualities are important in a clan-leader.

Has anyone thought about a financial plan for the servers? I saw that Legion volunteered to pay for all, but perhaps we can create a donation system of some kind? I know that for some member it will be hard to donate on regular bases, but if everyone drink a few beers left and donate per month a couple of euro, dollar or slotti....

If necessary i will pay for one server if you guys need it.

Uwotm8?!
But you have a point here, I don't know how much the servers and all that cost but if everyone donates even like 0.50 cents a month it would satisfy.. However it should not be mandatory.`
Hmm why not? Iam sure that if it was mandatory we know that people are really appreciate the clan. My guess is that most members are taken the servers & website for granted not realising who is paying for it. but these are only my thoughts.

Well a few beer less not my fav hobby, but i guess the figure of speaking is clear Very Happy
Would also like you to remember the average age in our clan. A lot of people are 12,13,14,15 etc. Not everyone has a job, and for instance me, I have a job but I cannot spend ANY of my money anymore to save for college and a car. Hence, making it mandatory to donate would be a horrible idea, and would probably make a lot of people either get kicked out, or plain old leave the clan.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:28 pm

yes i know. Thats why its only a theory. 

Just pointing out that the servers and website are not free.
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PostSubject: Re: Stepping Up   Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:31 pm

Of course the [Server] is not free, but the website is. I think we are financially fine with the server. And even if we cannot pay for a server, who cares? Not like anyone consistently plays on it anyways. -_-
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